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  World Powers

  by Fred Franztone in

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  2. beliefs

  jws have a unique interpretation of the seven kings of revelation.

  they of course refer to roman rulers, but the wt believe they represent certain 'world powers'.. the problem with these world powers is how arbitrary they are, not to mention the fact that none of them truly were world powers, in fact none of them even covered the entirety of europe, and the anglo-american world power isn't even a distinct entity.. then there are all of the world powers that are left out for convenience, many of which were far bigger.

  the mongolian empire and the ottoman empire were both bigger than half of the chosen world powers, such as medo-persia.. has anyone ever taken this topic up with jws?

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  Fred Franztone

  Barely half of them count as 'empires' in any meaningful sense, and certainly not world powers, not by any stretch.
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  What happened to the "New World Order"?

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  so as a child and youth growing up as a witness, (i'm 43 now) we often heard the expression "new world order".. the society just doesnt use that expression anymore.

  so what was the reasoning behind them amending that expression?.

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  Fred Franztone

  The only terms I ever heard were 'new system' and 'the paradise', both of which sound like some kind of creepy ethnostate.
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  New Ezekiel book topic. Bat shot crazy stuff

  by nowwhat? in

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  "nevermind islamic terrorists.

  we need to focus on an obscure religious group that no one pays any attention to!

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  The funniest part is that most JWs would roll over in a heartbeat if things got genuinely serious. If they were forced to renounce their faith by the UN (which would never happen in a trillion years), they'd drop from eight-million to eight-thousand overnight.
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  1914 and 1919 immortalized in new Ezekiel book. Prepare for 2019 100th anniversary fanfare...

  by Darth FayDehr in

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  Fred Franztone

  They're focusing more on 1919 than 1914 to buy themselves an extra 5 years; pretty desperate behaviour. Come 2020 they'll just look silly once again. The time will come when they'll have no choice but to drop the teaching entirely, probably within the next 25 years.
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  The Attack Has Started

  by Poztate in

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  according to the pope that darn old devil is attacking the catholic church.

  i am sure when the dubs see this news they will get all excited and see it as the start of the final attack on false religion.

  naturally they will ignore all their mounting in house problems of the same type of sexual abuse and cover up.

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  Fred Franztone

  Satan for the win.
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  World Powers

  by Fred Franztone in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jws have a unique interpretation of the seven kings of revelation.

  they of course refer to roman rulers, but the wt believe they represent certain 'world powers'.. the problem with these world powers is how arbitrary they are, not to mention the fact that none of them truly were world powers, in fact none of them even covered the entirety of europe, and the anglo-american world power isn't even a distinct entity.. then there are all of the world powers that are left out for convenience, many of which were far bigger.

  the mongolian empire and the ottoman empire were both bigger than half of the chosen world powers, such as medo-persia.. has anyone ever taken this topic up with jws?

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  Fred Franztone

  The bible says nothing about any of this, that's what's so frustrating. If JWs were to read Revelation without any of the WTS baggage, they'd see how obvious it is that it was written in the late-1st century, and aimed at people who were living during that century; it even says so in the opening chapter. There is no greater fulfilment, not in Revelation, nor in Daniel, it's all just nonsense.
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  World Powers

  by Fred Franztone in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jws have a unique interpretation of the seven kings of revelation.

  they of course refer to roman rulers, but the wt believe they represent certain 'world powers'.. the problem with these world powers is how arbitrary they are, not to mention the fact that none of them truly were world powers, in fact none of them even covered the entirety of europe, and the anglo-american world power isn't even a distinct entity.. then there are all of the world powers that are left out for convenience, many of which were far bigger.

  the mongolian empire and the ottoman empire were both bigger than half of the chosen world powers, such as medo-persia.. has anyone ever taken this topic up with jws?

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  Fred Franztone

  It may be consistent, but it's wrong. The Mongolian invasion of what we now call Russia had a huge impact on Christianity.

  JWs need to try harder.
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  World Powers

  by Fred Franztone in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jws have a unique interpretation of the seven kings of revelation.

  they of course refer to roman rulers, but the wt believe they represent certain 'world powers'.. the problem with these world powers is how arbitrary they are, not to mention the fact that none of them truly were world powers, in fact none of them even covered the entirety of europe, and the anglo-american world power isn't even a distinct entity.. then there are all of the world powers that are left out for convenience, many of which were far bigger.

  the mongolian empire and the ottoman empire were both bigger than half of the chosen world powers, such as medo-persia.. has anyone ever taken this topic up with jws?

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  Fred Franztone

  JWs have a unique interpretation of the seven kings of Revelation. They of course refer to Roman rulers, but the WT believe they represent certain 'world powers'.

  The problem with these world powers is how arbitrary they are, not to mention the fact that none of them truly were world powers, in fact none of them even covered the entirety of Europe, and the Anglo-American world power isn't even a distinct entity.

  Then there are all of the world powers that are left out for convenience, many of which were far bigger. The Mongolian empire and the Ottoman empire were both bigger than half of the chosen world powers, such as Medo-Persia.

  Has anyone ever taken this topic up with JWs? And if so, what sort of responses have you received?
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  192-page books

  by Fred Franztone in

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  2. friends

  this is my 192nd post, so i thought it'd be fitting to ask a somewhat banal question which i've occasionally pondered over the years.

  does anyone know what's behind the wt's penchant for 192-page books?

  is there some kind of logistical reason for this?

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  Fred Franztone

  This is my 192nd post, so I thought it'd be fitting to ask a somewhat banal question which I've occasionally pondered over the years. Does anyone know what's behind the WT's penchant for 192-page books? Is there some kind of logistical reason for this? I'm curious.

  It's occurred to me that there must have been occasions where they've padded out books (or compressed them) in order to land on the magical 192. It's such an annoyingly unround number; 200 would be better, although it would mean an additional eight pages of nonsense, so perhaps not.
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  1969 Awake on Education - A Sore Spot for Me

  by NotBlind in

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  my father would have started college 49 years ago this week.

  about three months earlier, the week he graduated high school, the awake!

  magazine came out with some very clear direction to teenagers.

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  Fred Franztone

  I’m curious. Was your dad viewed negatively in the congregation for having a career, or was it ignored because he was a man??

  I mean it's not so much a double-standard as a founding principle; women in the WT are third class citizens (men are second and elders are first). Whatever a woman's career-situation, she won't have many 'privileges' in the organisation, beyond the 'joy' of field service.

  As for my dad, he had minimal privileges, but then his organisational aspirations weren't especially lofty to begin with.